Hi,

Is any one still playing at Wellingborough's Members Evenings on Wednesday Nights?

MeRLiN-ViBe

Best Bet is to turn up and find out first hand hope it helps lol

The members are ok. They are really in the league of the Derby players which is why Derby plays there and wins tournaments.

I guess 12 year old kids can be challenging...

Haha, not all of them are 12 year old kids, hehe probably more about 14 or 15 year olds on average.... but least they actully have to aim & shoot the target, you Leicester Nexus players just need to stand facing in the right direction, wheres the skill when your IR nearly has the same spread as a TV remote.

R4IDER

i would of thought that with all the zone you've played though you would realise by now that the welli kids are pack covering trigger happy little cheats lol

They could be trigger happy cheats, as ive not been attending there members evening regular enough, but they didn't seem particular bad when i attended the other evening.

R4IDER

Ah yes, the infamous Nexus Insults.

Don't get me wrong, the Welli lads are very friendly and I have a good relationship with the owners. The packs are, in my oppinion, some of the best maintained and well updated in the country.

I know you didn't do too well playing Nexus and so dispise it, but don't let losing get you down mate.

You havn't touched the Nexus equipment and so don't know the strength of the IR or any other of it's components.

Dave, could I please remind you that your slanderous comments are not welcome in public so keep them to yourself. I would do more about it but the only plebs that post on here are you, Ryu, Nightfire and myself so I don't think your empty values and opinions count for much.

Zones customers, the real people who's opinion counts for anything is that of a positive nature and so that is all that matters to me.

From now on, keep an eye on mz-uk.com as I will be replying to your posts on there.

Lots of Love,

Nipple Bandit!

oh, and no you can't have your job back!

Rick, i don't want to get in to a pissing match with you unless i have to, but i think you taking my original comment out of context. I defended my mate Ryu from your comment, stating that Ryu only won that tournament because in your opinion, all the other players were all 12 years old, which is an untrue & unfair comment by you.

My comment is not slanderous about Nexus or the IR being stronger, the shots have been known to be able to bounce off the cellings, walls & hit targets that are bearly visible around the corner, and ive found that my self, and ive had players tell me they have experianced the same results in similar circumstances at other Nexus installed sites in australia. I seem to remember Mr Holmes saying the range when they were range tested was more than a 120 feet distance, so its not slander, its just something that makes Nexus a stong system, but at close range maybe to strong.

I see you forgottened the first beta public test games in the uk, where by i finished first against you and a group of other members, not that its that important, and i don't despise Nexus.

Whether you like it or not Rick, i was employed part time by Pat Holmes as a electronics technician at zone eu, and while i was there, i made at least a couple of hundred batteries, installed network cables, made up plastics, power supplys and i soldered about 600 wires for those 30 phaser cables which were installed in the nexus FEC packs sent to europe, and i helped make some of the Nexus Phasers with you, and tested some nexus phasers with Jay the other technician.

R4IDER

The only person i have alot of respect for in Zone Eu is Pat Holmes, he gave me a chance, and employed me legally as a part time technician when he needed engineers. I got payed for working there, and i got some good engineering experiance, nothing lasts for ever, and thankfully while unexpected when i got let go, my electronics exams were due over the next 2 weeks, which gave me time to revise.

Your a mean ass hole some times Rick.

R4IDER

"Edited: Alright, you guys at Zone Eu have enough of my respect, to place you way above the level of scum, so that means i have alot of respect for Pat.

Yeah, I know, mabye that was a little uncalled for.

Let me get one thing straight, before I bump in to you in the street and you smack me one; Zone equipment is the best laser tag equipment in the world (You must think this too otherwise you wouldn't have dedicated a website to it's players).

Your slanderous comments made on the Zone Gods site stated that the green lasers in Nexus were dangerous and reported that they had given you floaters. That my friend is totally untrue. Zone is one of the few Laser tag companies in the world that have the paper work to show their equipment is totally safe. Class 2 lasers (don't qote me on that please, I may have got the number wrong) are NOT dangerous. I repeat, the government has declaired that Zones lasers are SAFE for humans to use as a form of entertainment. The reason we swopped out to red lasers is because the green ones were unreliable, nothing else.

Nexus does not have the same, or anywhere near, spread as a tv remote. They are on 15 degree spreads which is what is used in most other systems. The beta test ones you were involved with were prototypes and were not sold to any of Zones customers. The reports you got off players about them because sensative were more than likely excuses for not doing too well on an unfamilliar system.

Dave, if anything the IR on other systems, Zones included, were too weak. Pack covering was a big issue. I find that older players do worse at Nexus because they can't pack cover anymore. And thats the truth.

I aint fussed who won what game mate, I use it to wind you up. I barely play laser tag anymore at a competative level, and in that game you 'won' I remember Ryan and Bhupesh standing around checking deac times and you tagging them from a distance. And they are not members and probably play less than normal members of the public.

I'll target Ryu with my concerns at another time to be honest, he is an ok player at times, he just feels the need to test his skill against less skilled players and not players his own skill level. They may as wel have been 12 years old is what I was getting at.

Nexus will be spreading around more and more and will be the format for all official Zone Tournaments in the future.

Rick

ps. I speak for myself in these posts and not anything to do with Zone or other laser tag organisation.

Yeah i believe Zone has and still does set the standard on laser tag equipment, and i personally believe they made the greatest laser tag system, System Z, ever created in the history of laser tag. While i prefer System Z & System V4 equipment over the newer equipment, i don't dispise the newer equipment, i just see them with different strengths & weaknesses, specially since Z & V4 had strong & weak points of there own.

Regarding the green lasers you've taken my words out of context, i didn't say that the green lasers on the new equipment caused the marks in my vision, as the marks are caused in my personal opinion by the red lasers used on the older equipment. Down to the extensive number games played by my self, coming in to the thousands range, far more than the average public player would ever play, where by on many occasions over the years i was hit in the eyes briefly by accident, by other players. Its not regular situation to be hit in the eyes, but if your hit every 10 games and ive played nearly 5000 games "15 minutes each" in a time frame of 8 years, thats a 500 times, and ive been hit in the eyes by red lasers alot over the years.

I don't hold megazone or P&C Micro's personally responsible for the marks in my vision, i knew of the risks years after i began playing zone, and years before it became an apparent problem, that getting shot in the eyes should be avoided, and i guess it seemed so unlikely that i would ever suffer negative symptoms. What i did say about the green lasers was that i personally thought they were to bright for the level's of light, found typically in zone arena's that ive come to find standard, when playing zone in different places in the world, and that i thought the green lasers could be more of a hazard over the red lasers, if used incorrectly.

I don't believe Megazone or P&C Micros are breaking safety regulations regarding the use of these green or red lasers, or that they are using something dangerous in there equipment, as they are following the correct safety procedures in place, and ive checked the regulations to be sure. What i do believe, is that i don't think the human race currently has 100% understanding of the full effects of lasers on the human eyes, or the cells making up human body, and i defently don't think we current have the technology to fully analyse the human body, specially the eyes.

Im defently not saying that people will go blind from being shot in the eyes by the lasers 1mw or less used by megazone, im saying that being shot many times spread over long period of years, could from my personal experiance be a hazard to peoples vision, but only if they were to be accidently shot many times, like hundreds of times, which is extremely rare & unlikely for most players. I just think personally that green lasers are to bright for how they are used in laser tag, and i wounder if the brightness could be reduced, and i think players should be told in the game briefings not to shoot people in the face or eyes intentionally, as an extra precaution.


Yes, i made a comment about the new equipment having a strong IR, and said it had a similar spead to a tv remote, i accept that was an unfair comment by my self, as the IR diodes used by the packs at megazone have a much smaller viewing angle, and i knew that all along.

Yeah your right pack covering has in the past become a negative aspect of the zone game, so having a strong IR output would thankfully completely remove that problem, while also doing alot to make the games easier and more enjoyable for beginners or not so experianced players, but i wounder if it would create a bigger problem in the long run. Pack covering in extreme cases have been known to cause problems, but the player has alternative sensor options, though at the time it might not be so apparent to a newer players.

More experianced players might find it makes the difference between being deactivted while in a faceoff, but it could also be seen as a challenge or reason for a player to try harder. I just hope it wont make it to easy for players to tag others players without trying, because that could seriously hurt the game in the long run, because players wont be rewarded for having a better aim, or have a reason to improve.

Yeah your right in saying that if Ryu had been playing against 12 year olds or really new players, but most of that tournament he was playing against me, plus older experianced players, and i gave him hell. I did great in the first round, but we sat out for an hour & half afterwards before the next round for something to eat, and i justed wanted to battle the derby guys when i got it the next round, when i maybe should have moved off and shot some easier targets, and so in the long run i came out worst, 3rd, though not bad out of 30. Ryu is a good player, and last time i played him he, he was using a fast & accurate playing style and pushing my style in ways not many do, thats how i know he is a good player, plus he had venom & pinball batteling in the same area as us, so it wasn't that piss easy, it was full on zone LOR.

You know your not a bad player your self Rick, your up there on my best rivals list, for players who push me to try harder, and because games against you are never boring, while you make me evolve my playing style frequently. You pull moves at speeds that make me go WOW, like when you use to jump over the megazone counter, by doing a kung fu kick off the wall.

R4IDER

Ok, some kind of conclusion is necessary.

Class 2 Laser Products CAN NEVER have perminent damage effects on anyones eyes. This is not debateable as it is FACT.

The IR diode used in phasors throughout Zone products stays the same strength, from V4 all the way up to Nexus. This is FACT.

When a player over the age of 20 enters a tournament by which he is playing against a much younger age group and clearly has been playing much longer, it is not a valid display of skill and performance, it is a display of ego and lack of confidence that he canot compete with contenders around the same skill level.

End of.

Oh and Gemma said she aint happy with you either! I saw slashes on her forearms that tell me she may be offended and upset about not giving her respect.

I suggest you call up and appologise right now!

All products using Class II lasers, must have a label secured to the device, stating "Laser Radiation - Do not stare into beam" or " Caution Class II Laser Product, Avoid long term viewing of direct laser radiation", so that the user is aware of the hazard & the laser type. If you have to have a caution label on a product which in your opinion is 100% proven not to cause eye damage, why are people recommended not to look directly in to the laser beam thats 1mW or less.

Is it because there is this ideas out there like the one below, that i came across while reading up on this subject:
"1 mW laser has the potential to produce an intensity on the retina 167 times that of direct sunlight!"

There also this idea that people should keep in mind:
"Be aware that eye damage that is localized to a small area of the eye is not very noticeable. For example, few people ever notice the existence of the large blind spot where the optic nerve enters the eye even though it is rather huge (10 degrees or so) and not all that far from central vision. A laser wouldn't necessarily have to make you totally blind; it could just wipe out a teeny patch here and a teeny patch there. This kind of damage would be very insidious; each time you'd say "Wow! That was bright! lucky I didn't get blinded" - while slowly and cumulatively losing your sight..."

Yes, unless your saying V3 used different laser types, i would expect all the equipment to use 1mW or less Class 2 red lasers, as all the systems that followed from V3 to Infusion used the V3 type phaser plastics.


I disagree Rick, older & experianced players will most of the time go after the stronger more experianced players, as it makes a more interesting challenge, unless it goes against the main objective of the game, like a base flag game. I was there at that tournament, and Ryu won 1st place fairly, and since you were not there, i think your just speculating on the level of competition from the wellingborough guys that night.

Gemma will get over it, if not already, though i didn't mean to make it sound like every one at zone eu ranked lower than scum, just i have alot more respect for Pat than any one else there.

R4IDER

lol, is pat your bum chum these days then?

and why the hell do i have 10% warn still? lol

can I have some warn plz?

no rick, coz ur not a brummie lol

Nare, i would defently say it wasn't that.

Fair point, its been enough time, you can have your 10% warn removed, though for some reason i can not get the note to disapear.

R4IDER

lol lucky me

The argument about lasers is long and boring.

Class 2 is perfectly safe if exposure is no longer than 250 (200?) ms at any one time

think of it like placing your hand over a flame, You pass your hand quickly back and fourth over it and your skin will not burn. if you hold your hand directy over it for some time, it will burn.

Zone are the only company that enforces this not only with our own firmware but also with a hardware laser lockout, if it sences that the laser is powered beyond this time it will cut the laser out.

indeed!

this is like years late but at the time around the Wellingborough all-nighter i didnt know them AT ALL didn't know how old they were or any think.

So to say i went there to beat kids is messed up as i didn't even know there would be KIDS at an all-nighter :S 10pm till 7am... kids? strange also when i was 15-16 i would of still owned your ass so enough said lol

You also said i was an OK Player? Coming from you? BAH HAHAHA remember

At the leicester all-nighter who said "Oh Ryu has definitely won the solo" well i didn't win the solo Elim that u had for a solo....LOL though fault of my own and ended up coming out 1st YAY for me PERSONALLY if i didn't have a team mate come to the same spot i had which i lefted so i wouldn't kill him, u never know how it could of went

On average i guess i had that solo in the bag ALSO seeing as the game was an elimination game that ment that JEBUS won that tournament as he was the only player to still have lifes at the end of the game by eliminating all the players :S but no it came down to the score :S it was messed up totally

Thanks for sticking up for me R@ider :-)